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7/10
Informative, but lacking in depth
JWJanneck13 January 2007
This film does a good job at depicting the atrocities following the Chinese invasion of Tibet, making a case for the cultural and spiritual autonomy of its people. It depicts the inflexible and arrogant Chinese position, even giving Chinese officials some uncommented screen time, obviously based on the assumption that they need no help in discrediting themselves (and being quite right about that). And it shows the complicity of the rest of the world, either through collaboration or inaction, with what is happening in Tibet. If you know little about Tibet, and want to get a decent summary of the contemporary Western position on this topic (not necessarily the official position of Western governments, perhaps, but the "politically correct" stand in educated Western society), you will find it in this film.

The thing that bothers me a little about this film is its unquestioning sympathy for the Dalai Lama and the former system of government in Tibet. A segment of the movie depicts the pre-invasion Tibet as something almost like paradise, citing the childhood memories of several old Tibetans in support of how harmonious and beautiful life was before the Chinese came and ruined it all.

Another perspective, which does not get much mention except in the otherwise rather distorted and hardly trustworthy statements of those Chinese officials, is that religious feudalism reigned pre-invasion Tibet, and the Dalai Lama is one of the last feudal lords still alive (along with, perhaps, the Saudi kings)---and that what escalated the situation to the point at which the Dalai Lama fled the country was not the invasion itself, but their subsequent land reforms (like those of most Communist regimes of the last century), which meant that the economical basis for the significant idle part of the society (the monks) suddenly disappeared.

As difficult as it is to find much sympathy for the Chinese, it is, from a modern secular perspective, not really easy to side with the Dalai Lama, either. I suppose it's main "selling point" to Westerners would be that the Tibetan people want him and whatever government he'd stand for, and that is certainly a key point. If it is, in fact, the case. It would have been interesting to dig a little deeper into this, and, for instance, ask some of those farmers that ended up owning the land that they had been working on after the land reforms. If the Chinese are right, then there should be lots of them who, after benefiting from their "liberation", would say many good things about it. Otherwise there wouldn't be, and we would hear other stories from those who now own the land, or perhaps find that the land was turned over to CCP functionaries.

However, instead of "following the land", we get to hear that story about how the PRC picked their own Panchen Lama, after finding the one that the Dalai Lama identified as the "right" incarnation unsatisfactory. The movie comments that it's strange for a Communist leader to nominate the incarnation of a Lama, and that is certainly correct. But, hey, it's strange either way because, and let us not lose sight of that, all this reincarnation stuff is superstitious nonsense.

After all, we should remember that even in former times identifying the next Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama was a highly political affair, not the least reason for which was the fact that it was connected with considerable economical and political benefits for the family and the people around them. All the spiritual stuff is a story that was told to the largely uneducated masses to justify the system, much as it was in medieval Europe. But that should be no reason for us, or our film makers, to buy into it, too.

As is common these days in the West, all these claims of "spirituality" are just unquestioningly accepted, to the point where some guy compares the insights about the "outside world" due to modern science to whatever those Tibetan monks figured out about the "inside world" during the ample time while they were not, unlike the vast majority of the people in that society, toiling the fields. Yeah, right.

So in summary, a pretty decent intro to modern Tibetan history and the atrocities committed by the Chinese, which could use a little less of a Richard-Gere-perspective and a bit more of what you'd find in, e.g., Melvyn Goldstein's "A History of Modern Tibet". If the movie whets people's appetite to learn more about this tragedy in our times, and read a book like Goldstein's to do so, it would be a significant contribution.
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9/10
Tibet as Independent State - before 1951..
micronicos29 March 2007
This is a great film & deserves wider acceptance.

About Tibetan Independence, I was very fortunate to spend several days at the Taipei National Museum in 1971, which had 2 rooms of exquisite Tibetan artifacts, listed as "Tributes from the Rulers of Tibet to the (Chinese) Emperor".

It was very clear that Tibet was both ruled by its' own King(s), but also that ~(naturally) the influence & importance of a vast neighbour empire was acknowledged. A bit like the USSR & (say) Czechoslavakia during the Cold War. Let's not split hairs here - Tibet had a culture and it is being destroyed.

Watch this film & Google on Tibetan News & make up your own mind.
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8/10
Interesting perspective
artzau26 January 2007
One reviewer from Canada points out the "spiritual bias" in this documentary but that should surprise no one. True, the platform of the film is pro-Dalai Lama and anti-PRC in perspective but I did not share the impression that pre-invasion Tibet was ever portrayed as a paradise. The fact is, in spite of the silly protestations of another reviewer who, in badly written English, chimes that no government has recognized Tibet, which smacks of a sneaky PRC propaganda insertion. But, let's not lose sight of the film while we're sounding our favorite political war drum. If you want serious ethnography, read Mel Goldstein's books and if you want a snapshot view of the plight of Tibet and the netherworld into which Tibetan ex-pats have been shoved, this is the one. Maybe I'm getting senile but I labored under no impression that this documentation of the Chinese invasion and occupation of a region wherein lived people of a distinctive language and culture would be wholly objective or dispassionate in scope. My treat was seeing some marvelous footage of some of the most barren places on the planet and some pictures of what has been going on. Like any other viewer, I did not enjoy the graphic depiction of abuse and torture but, in my view, it needed to be shown.

As one who loves to read the reviews as much as seeing the film, I must observe that most were impressed by what they saw. One could go on and on about the politics of it all, but from the standpoint of art, I think this little film was a winner. See it for yourself and decide.
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10/10
Courageous Film!!!
MacNamara921 December 2004
From this poignant film, we learn how Richard Nixon, Henry Kissinger and their corporate socialist sponsors betrayed the Tibetan people's struggle for freedom. But how could it be otherwise, as Tibetan culture represents the opposite of the Hegelian mind control and conformity that has seized our planet. As the journalist Jon Rappoport has written, 'The one society on planet Earth which has made a monumental effort to throw off this level of programming is TIBET. It is no accident that China, which has adopted a philosophy of Materialism, has striven to erase Tibet from the landscape and the memory of the human race'.

But even more poignant are the Tibetan holocaust deniers on this board. And to think that I once thought all holocaust deniers lived in Germany and Japan! The Tibetan holocaust deniers need to understand that not only the Tibetans are suffering from the Communist government of China, but the Chinese people themselves. The eighty million Chinese who died under the Communists is no less tragic than 1.2 million Tibetans who died. And whatever America or any other country did in the past doesn't justify what's happening now. Two wrongs don't make a right----only a greater wrong.

And the film doesn't describe a 'Chinese' problem, but a human problem that concerns us all, regardless of our age, ethnic origin, gender or faith. This is not a 'Hate China' film or white racialist propaganda of any kind, as some reviewers would have you believe. In fact, it's very sympathetic to the plight of the Chinese, who are just as trapped as the Tibetans.

See this film.
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10/10
2 wrongs don't make a right
marstuv18 May 2006
This was an excellent documentary but also very hard to watch. For those not familiar with the human rights abuses of the Chinese government this is a real eye opener. Sadly many in China through years of government propaganda have come to see the invasion of Tibet as some sort of liberation or helpful to the Tibetan people. This documentary points out how Tibet was never part of China and had a civilization and culture of its own. I say two wrongs don't make a right cause of what some have said on here on how the European colonization or invasion of America somehow justifies the Chinese in taking over Tibet. I should warn people on here that the Chinese do have government officials not just normal Chinese civilians that are all over the net spreading propaganda in favor of the Chinese government. They try to pass themselves off as some everyday Chinese person. They are trained professionals in the field of propaganda. You will find them in Buddhist chat rooms and on many forums that mention or talk about issues related to china. I guess what they haven't figured out yet is how to be discrete lol, and they always seem to point to bad behavior by some other country to justify their own. Another quick mention is that google earth no longer even has Tibet shown on the map. It just shows china where Tibet used to be. For those that didn't know, google was in trouble not long ago for censoring words like "human rights", in their search engine server that the people in china used. Hopefully I didn't violate the user comment guidelines cause this information needs to be seen.
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10/10
Great Film!! Incredible Documentary!!!
milkdudz119 January 2004
This film was incredible!!! A must see!! A modern day tale of torture, conquest, rape... Chinese army does to the Tibetens what the Nazis did to the Jews... If you can't beat them, then try to exterminate them.... And it is going on TODAY!!!! You have to see this one... and then tell your Friends about it...
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10/10
Documentary on China's Invasion of Tibet
imdb-18-antegrenkid31 January 2004
Warning: Spoilers
Warning: May contain spoilers. The documentary was both entertaining and informative. Some of the violence and torture is graphic so this movie may not be suitable for very young viewers. The movie basically documents the atrocities which occurred (and are still occurring) as China takes over Tibet and makes those Tibetans who are allowed to live, second class citizens of their own country. The United States is shown as a country that gives minor support to Tibet at first, just to thwart China, and then suddenly drops all help as a condition China presents if the United States wants to be on more friendly terms with China. Just another movie that shows the little guys getting screwed in order to satisfy the bigger powers. I have to admit, I was sickened and disheartened to watch this movie, but the incredible attitude of the Tibetans who practiced not hating their enemies while their country was raped was a thing to behold. I recommend this move. I give it 5 stars out of 5.
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Great movie
jay_bgy30 September 2006
I have lived in China for four years now. I see first hand how the Chinese government blocks information about Tibet. Not just Tibet but any other news they don't want people to see, they will block it. Many people in China would not agree with this movie because they have been taught differently. Text books here are completely wrong. I also see how minority groups (Tibetan, Naxi, Mongol and so on) are treated as second class citizens. The only time they are not treated this way is when the Chinese (Han) can make money off them through tourism. People belonging to minority groups are restricted in travel (not able to hold a passport and only allowed to go to certain areas) so that their horror stories can be contained. In the far west of China, there have been bus bombings and demonstrations for independence but news of this is hard to get out because cameras and videos are confiscated. It is not even reported on local news.

This is a great movie and long live the Dalai Lama.
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10/10
My 2 cents
ostryjak8 April 2007
One of the best portrayals of life inside Tibet. I cannot add nor detract much from what has already been said except to point out to those comments regarding the political setup in Tibet pre invasion was THE CHOICE of the people there. It is what they wanted and lived, and in later days, died for. Detractors of the system that existed pre invasion tend to focus on the disparity between the lives of the Lamas / Monks and the common people where there is none. The monks are all OF the people. The Tibetans lived as one cohesive spiritual gestalt unlike any other civilization before or since. The future is the Tibetans will survive and return to Tibet. The Dalai Lama is so right in his choice of peaceful resistance. The Chinese people themselves are crying out for spiritual leaders and the will turn to the Dalai Lama for guidance and Tibet will become THE spiritual center of the world again.
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1/10
To "Hollywood-ize" such a complex issue
le_denier_homme22 September 2007
in a supposedly "documentary" format, is an unforgivable crime.

this film deifies Tibet and Tibetan culture, while dehumanizing the Chinese and Chinese culture.

this is pure, unadulterated, venomous, anti-PRC propaganda, and does nothing to further an understanding of the political, cultural, and historical issues at stake in Tibet.

of course the film doesn't mention that the first "Dalai Lama" was installed by the Chinese army, at their request. of course the film doesn't mention that the Dalai Lama is head of only 1 out of 4 of the Tibetan Buddhist sects - and that the others regard him as a spiritually corrupted politician. of course the film doesn't mention prior to PRC rule over 90% of the population lived as Serfs, many as virtual slaves to their landlords - there were no schools, no hospitals, no opportunities. of course the film doesn't mention that every suffering the Tibetans have endured under PRC rule, and also been endured - often to a greater extent - by the rest of China its 55 other ethnicities.

the world is nowhere near as black and white as the American makers of this film would have us believe. they ought to be ashamed of themselves.
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freedom =! independence
keasay18 December 2005
As this movie said, the practice of Tibetan Buddhism is allowed nowadays as long as they do no harm to the authority of Chinese government. A number of Tibetans were beaten and tortured because they want independence. Do you think seeking independence is right of freedom under any political authority? There is no evidence to show that Tibetans are 2nd class citizen in Mainland China. Yes, a number of Tibetans were bad treated. The reason is they want independence.

Is/was Tibet an independent country? Please give us evidence before you simply say YES. No country in this world ever recognizes that Tibet is/was an independent country. This is the truth. Those who think Tibet was an independent country before 1951 need a history book. Yes, Tibetan and ethnic Han speak different language and have different customs. But it is very normal nowadays for different ethnic groups to live under a same political authority.

Chinese government did a lot of bad things to Tibetans. Not only Tibetans but also other ethnic groups (mainly Han race) need democracy and freedom under China's communism authority. Seeking independence do no good to this cause. Even Dalai Lama does not want independence of Tibet now.
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10/10
Every adult should learn from this. 'Avatar' for real. Now.
boss-shot20 July 2013
Simultaneously my favourite and least favourite televisual experience. This is an incredible collection of film and recollections from people live in Heaven and who have been through hell. Watching this will affect you. It's long, but captivating and it's telling what may well end up being be the most important story of this century.

Some scenes are disturbing but necessary, and balanced with scenes of the beautiful side of the country and society.

If you thought what happened to the Native Americans or slaves or victims of the Natzi or Stalin regeims was bad, learn about how Chinese soldiers treat Tibetan Buddhist monks (men, women and children) and how the Buddhist focus on compassion keeps the population alive in the face of decades of abuse and oppression.

Chinese officials put their point of view: you can understand both, but the Chinese speak with belief, the Tibetans with Understanding. Ironically, the Chinese act in a 'religious' way (think Crusades) as they stamp out the 'religion' and culture of the last place on the planet with an autonomous culture that is no threat to the planet or any other culture.

Buddhists attain non-violence by education. China thinks it is modern, but like a school-yard bully it doesn't understand how desperately it needs education. After seeing this you'll want to help China learn how to be open, so that it understands how incredibly wrong it is about Tibet (and how it treats its own people).

If you have relations in China - find a way to help them see this. Help them learn and spread the word. Educate.
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8/10
A depressing chronicle of genocide
majic-515 December 2007
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This film gets my vote for feel-bad movie of the year. Although there is some attempt to capture the culture of Tibet, that's in service to heighten the horror of the brutal genocide by the Chinese government since the rise of Mao. Americans get a glimpse of this destruction in the news, but this movie gives it to you full bore for 90 minutes. The movie touches on the most recent twist by the Chinese rulers to obliterate native Tibet: economic assimilation. The Communist party has completed railroads to the capital of the country, and is encouraging ethnic Chinese to migrate and visit, then using the resulting economic power to dominate the landscape. Meanwhile, the world does nothing (except an occasional medal for the Dalai Lama), because of China's global clout and Tibet's lack of it.

If you've never seen the systematic destruction of a people and a country, by all means rent this movie, if for no other reason than to be aware of the darkest side of human nature writ large. If you're sat through movies on other genocides, you may want to skip this one.
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10/10
A must see documentary
Metrowog77 May 2006
I've rated this doc. 10 ;howver, I believe that it should be rated 7 or 8 regarding a critical point of view. The reason behind of my rating is obvious: a few people (probably with Chines origin or back ground) have been quite unfair to the movie. You may not agree with the political concept of the film or find some statistics unreal or exaggerated, but you can not deny that it's a good documentary in terms of edit,cinematography and music. Moreover, there are thousands of reports by different people and independent human rights organizations which confirms that a permanent genocide is going on at the roof top of the world. It's the exact story of Middle East conflicts between Palestinians and Israelis.Israel tries to settle more Jews in occupied land of Palestine, treat Palestinians like second class citizens and neglect their rights of having access to the job market,education and professional business activities.The difference is Palestinians fight back Israel (some times with terrorism targeting civilians that results in more violence) while Tibetans prefer a non violence resistance. Back to our movie, I like the accurate and interesting story line of the film, many references to the real witnesses and victims and fusion of the politic with Tibetan's culture and Buddhism which are the main aspect of Tibet and its people.

I guess movie should interview some Chinese who are living in Tibet and ask their opinions as well. But I am not sure how legally it would be possible under the strict and harsh supervision of Chinese government. Overall, I strongly recommend the movie for its beautiful and artistic narration of the history of Tibet under the tyranny of Republic of China.

I hope in the near future more and more Chinese respect their wonderful neighbors and fight for own democracy and freedom.
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china true bully
oms_carig3280718 August 2013
i hope china will burn to the ground and its people,...someday the dawn of the dead will be in your land or you call it the dawn of the dead mother land china,your children burning dying,and even the dead ones will be burned into the grave...i Earthquake kills 157, injures 5,700 in China's Sichuancurse death for all of you.'Tombstone: The Great Chinese Famine, 1958-1962,' by Yang JishengAccording to government statistics, there were 15 million excess deaths in this period.[1] Unofficial estimates vary, but scholars have estimated the number of famine victims to be between 20 and 43 million.[2] Historian Frank Dikötter, having been granted special access to Chinese archival materials, estimates that there were at least 45 million premature deaths from 1958 to 1962. [3][4] Chinese journalist Yang Jisheng concluded there were 36 million deaths due to starvation, while another 40 million others failed to be born, so that "China's total population loss during the Great Famine then comes to 76 million."[5] The phrase "Three Bitter Years" is often used by Chinese peasants to describe this period.[6]....DEATH for THE Chinese people
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